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DA has recently announced a new portal for users to search through those offering commissions to find artists they want to support.
The commissions system will be handled using DA's internal currency system of points, of which DA takes a royalty from.
Commissions are allowed to start at 10 points each for any type of art produced, from rough sketches and small icons to full digital works. Commissions is a great way for artists to offer their services, but are we creating a low-wage market where over-abundance of supply and lack of unification undercuts everyone?
That is to say, how can we guarantee that artists get paid fairly for their work?
For more information on industry standard pricing and salaries, see the jornal below. Beside it is a USD to points calculator.
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For an hour's worth of work, 10 pts / 13 cents is a pitiful wage, yet many young, inexperienced artists are willing to offer their work for such low costs. Worse, they're afraid of seeming greedy if they charge too much, and will undercut an artist that values their work at or above minimum wage.
We also have the problem of hobby and amateur* artists competing with professional artists** who want to create for a living. Amateurs don't care about wage and do it for fun, or don't feel like their art is worth much, and so offer a much lower price for their work.
Should DA work to ensure that artists who are providing real-money commissions work for at least minimum wage?
Should there be a set minimum price for certain complicated works like full-body drawings and animated art?
Also, what about commercial use and licensing? What are these commissions for and how will they be used?
I've had a lot of shady and questionable offers for my work, some of which I have been scammed into doing. I regret those decisions, but they have helped to make me less naive about the world of buying and selling intellectual property. Other artists will inevitbly experience the same thing at some point in their careers, but I feel as though older and more experienced artists have a responsibility to encourage new artists to value their work at a livable price, whether they feel like it is worth that or not.
In such a low-wage environment, how can we ensure that new, young, inexperienced artists are not being ripped off and abused by those who want free or cheap art and may even try to profit off of an artist's work?
My suggestions so far:
*In this case I define an amateur artist as someone
- Who draws as a hobby or simply for enjoyment
- May not have schooling or training in art
- Does not earn living income off of their art (they may take in money with a "jobby" but it's not the sole income)
- May not be able to guarantee quality or deadlines
- May be young, still in school or in a career that has nothing to do with art as their main job
- Does not consider themselves and their work professional
**A professional artist would be
- Someone who is trying to make most or all of their living income from their art
- Someone who charges industry standard price for their art
- Someone who usually has some form of training / schooling or a skill level that is the equivalent
- Someone who can guarantee quality and deadlines
- Someone who considers themselves and their work professional
The commissions system will be handled using DA's internal currency system of points, of which DA takes a royalty from.
Commissions are allowed to start at 10 points each for any type of art produced, from rough sketches and small icons to full digital works. Commissions is a great way for artists to offer their services, but are we creating a low-wage market where over-abundance of supply and lack of unification undercuts everyone?
That is to say, how can we guarantee that artists get paid fairly for their work?
- 10 points is roughly 13 cents. 1000 points may seem like a large commission, but it's really only $10.
- Right now DA takes a 20% cut of point commissions.
- DA's commission system also has a $50 cap set on it. Many professional artists charge much more for full, detailed art and simply won't use the system for professional work.
For more information on industry standard pricing and salaries, see the jornal below. Beside it is a USD to points calculator.
:thumb214227933:
For an hour's worth of work, 10 pts / 13 cents is a pitiful wage, yet many young, inexperienced artists are willing to offer their work for such low costs. Worse, they're afraid of seeming greedy if they charge too much, and will undercut an artist that values their work at or above minimum wage.
We also have the problem of hobby and amateur* artists competing with professional artists** who want to create for a living. Amateurs don't care about wage and do it for fun, or don't feel like their art is worth much, and so offer a much lower price for their work.
Should DA work to ensure that artists who are providing real-money commissions work for at least minimum wage?
Should there be a set minimum price for certain complicated works like full-body drawings and animated art?
Also, what about commercial use and licensing? What are these commissions for and how will they be used?
I've had a lot of shady and questionable offers for my work, some of which I have been scammed into doing. I regret those decisions, but they have helped to make me less naive about the world of buying and selling intellectual property. Other artists will inevitbly experience the same thing at some point in their careers, but I feel as though older and more experienced artists have a responsibility to encourage new artists to value their work at a livable price, whether they feel like it is worth that or not.
In such a low-wage environment, how can we ensure that new, young, inexperienced artists are not being ripped off and abused by those who want free or cheap art and may even try to profit off of an artist's work?
My suggestions so far:
*In this case I define an amateur artist as someone
- Who draws as a hobby or simply for enjoyment
- May not have schooling or training in art
- Does not earn living income off of their art (they may take in money with a "jobby" but it's not the sole income)
- May not be able to guarantee quality or deadlines
- May be young, still in school or in a career that has nothing to do with art as their main job
- Does not consider themselves and their work professional
**A professional artist would be
- Someone who is trying to make most or all of their living income from their art
- Someone who charges industry standard price for their art
- Someone who usually has some form of training / schooling or a skill level that is the equivalent
- Someone who can guarantee quality and deadlines
- Someone who considers themselves and their work professional
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I don't even know. Something something art for the sake of it.
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This is an interesting topic. I think DA has such a huge community base that it has real merit as a marketing strategy. Bringing serious business in, could upset that. It seems to me the majority of consistent online users are 12 - 20. I think in about 5 - 10 years that could represent a strong community of buyers (once they all have jobs) if you had a way of effectively executing a business transaction. (Paypal, etc for significant exchanges)
As far as this commission for making money from points. I don't see this as any form of actual income.
I agree with parallellogic.deviantart.com/
DA is like my video game. When I've got some recreational time to use, I feel it's a better use of it. The points (though, admittedly, exhilarating to recieve!) are of an equivalent value to points in Super Mario Brothers, or gold in Terraria. I only use them for other things within the game (like giving to other DA folks).
I know the old sages of art will say "Never sell your art for less than it's worth!", but honestly every time I pick up a pencil I don't want to think about how much money I'm going to make. Plus when someone writes you a genuinely sincere thank you, that adds to my quality of life.
I'm technically termed an "artist" at work (ignore my gallery -_-), and I spend a lot of time (almost all of it) sculpting and animating (even drawing every now and then!...The rest is doing math. See kids, you do need it!). There's hundreds and hundreds of us in Vancouver alone, and no on DA is going to match our rates... (unless they want to pay 2500 - 5000 points / hour, and I don't consider any of us overly talented)
If I mull over a drawing for 10 - 15 hours, I'd love to know which of you is going to step up and pay me the 50000-100000 points...
...then I'd really have a bone to pick with DA cut off the top.
I take DA for what it is to me. A game. I feel it has a much more positive impact than most video games, and should be treated as such.
Transactions, for me, are a online version of a friendly high-five-thanks-for-the-drawing, that has just enough value to make it a hair above imaginary.
**Now I'm sure someone will hop on an be like "I make a bajillion dollars off of DA points!"** that's great! I hope you can do that. I don't even have a very informed opinion (I haven't scoured this topic deeply). Just seeing a lot of people bent out of shape over their limitations on perceived potential income.
I think DA is an interesting outlet for creativity and community and should never become a serious platform for revenue. This small scale transaction system has appeal and keeps disputes free of serious litigation.
To further repeat myself (*sorry*) I'd love to keep serious artists here, I love seeing everyones amazing art that makes me want to be better, I think it markets your skills well...but keep your primary transactions through another system (paypal, etc). The small transactions are for fun, and maybe as a motivating factor for younger crowds to draw. Which I wish more forums would encourage.
As far as this commission for making money from points. I don't see this as any form of actual income.
I agree with parallellogic.deviantart.com/
DA is like my video game. When I've got some recreational time to use, I feel it's a better use of it. The points (though, admittedly, exhilarating to recieve!) are of an equivalent value to points in Super Mario Brothers, or gold in Terraria. I only use them for other things within the game (like giving to other DA folks).
I know the old sages of art will say "Never sell your art for less than it's worth!", but honestly every time I pick up a pencil I don't want to think about how much money I'm going to make. Plus when someone writes you a genuinely sincere thank you, that adds to my quality of life.
I'm technically termed an "artist" at work (ignore my gallery -_-), and I spend a lot of time (almost all of it) sculpting and animating (even drawing every now and then!...The rest is doing math. See kids, you do need it!). There's hundreds and hundreds of us in Vancouver alone, and no on DA is going to match our rates... (unless they want to pay 2500 - 5000 points / hour, and I don't consider any of us overly talented)
If I mull over a drawing for 10 - 15 hours, I'd love to know which of you is going to step up and pay me the 50000-100000 points...
...then I'd really have a bone to pick with DA cut off the top.
I take DA for what it is to me. A game. I feel it has a much more positive impact than most video games, and should be treated as such.
Transactions, for me, are a online version of a friendly high-five-thanks-for-the-drawing, that has just enough value to make it a hair above imaginary.
**Now I'm sure someone will hop on an be like "I make a bajillion dollars off of DA points!"** that's great! I hope you can do that. I don't even have a very informed opinion (I haven't scoured this topic deeply). Just seeing a lot of people bent out of shape over their limitations on perceived potential income.
I think DA is an interesting outlet for creativity and community and should never become a serious platform for revenue. This small scale transaction system has appeal and keeps disputes free of serious litigation.
To further repeat myself (*sorry*) I'd love to keep serious artists here, I love seeing everyones amazing art that makes me want to be better, I think it markets your skills well...but keep your primary transactions through another system (paypal, etc). The small transactions are for fun, and maybe as a motivating factor for younger crowds to draw. Which I wish more forums would encourage.